Post from the HF Forum from March, 2003 that was subsequently deleted, but not before I could save it:
crector Very Disappointed with HF Leadership Decision about HY/Jewel
The HF leadership basically took the position that HY & Jewel actions
deserved no more than a slap on the wrist. Jewel posted to the HF Forum
a picture purporting to be of his “brothers” and Jerle backed down.
Anyways, just had the following ICQ conv with a former HF leader, about
the kind of stuff going on behind the scenes in HF:
119942914: (10:14 PM) [20:46] can anyone explain this TDZK in a few
sentences?
[20:46] yea
[20:46] its really fun
[20:46] what should i be really doing when i first start?
[20:46] addicting
[20:46] www.tdzk.net/help
[20:47] read the tutorials on the right
[20:47] just the trade and
119942914: (10:14 PM) came back to my comp and saw that in IRC, serious
or not, I don’t know, just thought you’d like to know stuff said about
ya
119942914: (10:14 PM) I know I would if I had to, but I just get
everyone to hate me and I don’t need to know what they say about me, I
just know it’s all bad
Chuck: (10:15 PM) Interesting. Read the tutorials, but didn’t catch the
part about using multi accounts.
RobVanDam: (10:17 PM) lol
Chuck: (10:19 PM) Just like he doesn’t seem to understand that there are
laws against illegally distributing other folks’s creations. If it feels
good, do it.
RobVanDam: (10:20 PM) just hope like I do, he carries that same attitude
into court
Chuck: (10:20 PM) Absolutely.
RobVanDam: (10:21 PM) kinda sad how no one gets punished anymore
RobVanDam: (10:21 PM) this hardcore probabtion will be a joke
Chuck: (10:21 PM) yes. HF seems to be going to the dogs.
RobVanDam: (10:21 PM) I can’t remember the last decent recruit HF got
RobVanDam: (10:22 PM) last one I remember was when BF was startin up,
about 6 months ago maybe
Chuck: (10:22 PM) Kind of weird that the likes of Sirthpal & TheMadWeaz
get banned for far less than what HYper or Jewel did.
Chuck: (10:24 PM) Theres a guy named Bakito who’s up for a vote in the
BBG Realm who’s a decent recruit.
RobVanDam: (10:24 PM) yea, but then compare it to other current recruits
RobVanDam: (10:25 PM) you got one of the biggest bigots you’ll ever meet
in Crook, and what’s the excuse? “He’s from Mississippi, what do you
expect?”
RobVanDam: (10:25 PM) this coming from Homer, the 2nd in the realm
RobVanDam: (10:26 PM) under that logic, I can be just as racist seeing
as though I’m born in Idaho and I live in the whitest voting district in
America, but if I were to say any of that shit, I’d be banned from the
forum for a month
Chuck: (10:26 PM) I know. Recruited Pagan in November, but he stabbed us
in the back in Space Merchant Realms, just because the HF leader in that
game said something on IM that he didn’t like.
Chuck: (10:26 PM) Homer is the guy who said that HF uses hacking in
Diablo 2 as some sort of defense for what HYper did.
RobVanDam: (10:27 PM) Homer’s a fucking dumbass
RobVanDam: (10:27 PM) he was one of the dumbfucks that wouldn’t wear a
tag in WC3 at the start when I was the realm leader because of their
precious records
RobVanDam: (10:27 PM) when he became a leader, his goal wasn’t to
rebuild the realm, it was to rebuild his useless fucking NS
Chuck: (10:29 PM) Yes. What happened in TDZK lately is the single worst
thing that’s happened in HF that I’m aware of since I joined up in
October, 2000…..and basically nothing’s being done about it.
RobVanDam: (10:30 PM) I’d say the worst is the entire CS realm being
overruled by one person (Lami) but of course I’m biased
Chuck: (10:30 PM) Thing is, HYper has really pushed the envelope on
other occaisions, but he somehow has escaped anything more severe than a
slap on the wrist,
RobVanDam: (10:30 PM) everyone did
RobVanDam: (10:30 PM) hell, look at all the shit I pulled when I was in
HF, lol
Chuck: (10:31 PM) What is Hel like?
RobVanDam: (10:31 PM) the way I’d run a clan, you’d never see any
bullshit like this
RobVanDam: (10:31 PM) active leaders, the leaders expect a certain level
of maturity and such of their members
RobVanDam: (10:32 PM) none of this Canada is better than America crap,
or Bush vs. Saddam, they have half a clue and banned all that shit to
stop any future problems
Chuck: (10:32 PM) About the stuff you pulled, the thing that I remember
about you most is that when that anusandy guy came to HF to recruit for
his widdle clan and you did some magazine covers to lampoon him….
RobVanDam: (10:33 PM) bah, that was nothing
RobVanDam: (10:33 PM) I still got recordings of Apollo making barn yard
noises
Chuck: (10:34 PM) About how long do you think that HF will last the way
that its going?
RobVanDam: (10:34 PM) depends, how long will it be of any signifigance?
it ain’t of any right now
RobVanDam: (10:35 PM) people talk about how superior HF is and all this
bullshit, compare it to a clan like HEL, or the hundreds like it
RobVanDam: (10:35 PM) you could go out and pick at random, you’ll most
likely find something better than HF
Chuck: (10:36 PM) HF is pretty strong in BBG’s like SMR & TDZK, but the
clan doesn’t care a lot about BBGs and most of the in-game HF players
don’t even try the recruitment process.
RobVanDam: (10:36 PM) recruitment in HF is a joke
RobVanDam: (10:37 PM) you can’t get anyone removed, so you HAVE to get
out the bad apples in recruitment now
RobVanDam: (10:37 PM) but no one can really expect for a month or two to
accurately represent someone
RobVanDam: (10:37 PM) that’s why clans like HEL are good, they don’t
give a fuck who you are, or how long you’ve been a member, if you’re a
jackass, you’re gone
Chuck: (10:39 PM) Well, both Omega Renegade, the HF leader in SMR & I
take care to submit only the best folks that we can find who’s willing
to go through the stupid process. I’ve known a lot of good, mature
players who have refused to go through it, since they don’t see any
point in it. The way they see it, once you sign up, you ought to be
considered a member.
RobVanDam: (10:40 PM) yea, I’ve notice a pattern, anyone with half a
clue on how to lead can make a successful realm in HF
Chuck: (10:41 PM) About when did HF stop practicing what it preaches
about standards? When Arwen went to college.
RobVanDam: (10:41 PM) nah, they’ve been that way for a while
RobVanDam: (10:41 PM) all talk and no action
Chuck: (10:47 PM) The main problem is that Aeon is way too forgiving and
UsuRpeR has hardly any time for the clan anymore. Yet, he wants to be
the supreme leader….
Chuck: (10:51 PM) Just saw in the BBG Realm Forum that Krioni wimped out
on HYper’s punishment,,,,,probation. Luckily for us, Iron Ring seems to
be taking it in stride. They haven’t even complained about it.
RobVanDam: (11:26 PM) well, in Dave’s defense, it’s hard to let
something go that you spent your time and effort to create. He has his
priorities straight right now, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The
thing is there isn’t a hard-ass for a leader, and without that you’re
just pissing away time
Chuck: (11:28 PM) Of all the current officers in HF, are there any who
you think is up to the task of being that kind of “hard-ass” leader?
RobVanDam: (11:29 PM) who’s active?
RobVanDam: (11:29 PM) Sean comes to mind, but it’s not a 100%
RobVanDam: (11:29 PM) the BBG realm has their act together, but I doubt
they could take over
Chuck: (11:29 PM) I mean the realm moderators and stuff
RobVanDam: (11:29 PM) no, not a chance
Chuck: (11:29 PM) By Sean, you mean MadDog?
RobVanDam: (11:29 PM) yes
RobVanDam: (11:30 PM) but I doubt he’s 100% capable
RobVanDam: (11:30 PM) but of the current active clan staff, he’s
definately number 1
RobVanDam: (11:30 PM) because the current clan staff is only him, Aeon,
and Lami
Chuck: (11:32 PM) Well,, I don’t have any confidence in Aeon any more
since he treated what happened in TDZK as if it were only a vendetta
against Hyper
RobVanDam: (11:32 PM) Aeon is all talk, he’s ignorant too
RobVanDam: (11:32 PM) he’s one of the people who keep talking as if HF
is superior
RobVanDam: (11:32 PM) and his excuse for everything now is HF is a
“gaming guild”
RobVanDam: (11:33 PM) which is 1) Hardly gaming and 2) Sucking at it in
most respects
RobVanDam: (11:33 PM) until someone comes in with the will and the time
to turn things around, HF will only be a forum clan
Chuck: (11:34 PM) ok…in store bought games yes. the HF alliance in SMR
NG #6 is the #1 ranked alliance. However, only 4 regular HF members in
it and hardly any interest of the other players to even try the
recruitment process.
RobVanDam: (11:35 PM) yea, but that’s what I mean
Chuck: (11:35 PM) In TDZK, not as high ranked, but we were moving
upwards until the HYper garbage happened.
RobVanDam: (11:35 PM) in a clan of over “300+ members” but at most 150
accounted for, how many active do we have? 4?
RobVanDam: (11:37 PM) and the BBG at least is getting support
Chuck: (11:37 PM) You mean as players?
RobVanDam: (11:37 PM) I mean as realms period, everything outside of BBG
and BF is a joke
RobVanDam: (11:37 PM) CS can’t even organize a fucking practice, WC3
can’t hold a tourny
RobVanDam: (11:38 PM) WoT is, well, WoT, there’s about 8 clans maybe,
and we just recruited the best one.
Chuck: (11:38 PM) Well, I don’t know anything about the realms outside
of BBG on playing games. In BBG, most of the members are at least fairly
active players.
RobVanDam: (11:38 PM) that’s because you got decent members
RobVanDam: (11:39 PM) CS members are useless
RobVanDam: (11:39 PM) WC3 are even worse
RobVanDam: (11:39 PM) WoT are good, but they don’t belong
RobVanDam: (11:39 PM) EQ is off on it’s own
Chuck: (11:39 PM) EQ is basically dead from what I’ve heard.
RobVanDam: (11:39 PM) BF has good members, but they got zero support
Chuck: (11:40 PM) How do you define support?
RobVanDam: (11:40 PM) I mean anything
RobVanDam: (11:40 PM) they JUST got a website
RobVanDam: (11:40 PM) about 9 months after the game’s released and the
realm becomes active
RobVanDam: (11:40 PM) never got a server
RobVanDam: (11:40 PM) never got nothing
RobVanDam: (11:41 PM) and the BF realm had more matches, practices,
whatever the hell you want to compare, BF had more than CS and WC3
RobVanDam: (11:41 PM) in many cases combined
Chuck: (11:41 PM) BBG really doesn’t have a website. Just a
half-completed thing. For our purposes, a website is unnecessary.
RobVanDam: (11:41 PM) yea, but for a group of 10 guys, it’s a hell of
alot easier to direct a potential recruit to say
http://bf1942.clan-forsaken.com
RobVanDam: (11:42 PM) than “ok, go to http://www.clan-forsaken.com/forum
RobVanDam: (11:42 PM) look for BF1942
RobVanDam: (11:42 PM) and look for trhe recruit posts”
Chuck: (11:42 PM) We just direct them to http://www.clan-forsaken.com
RobVanDam: (11:45 PM) meh
RobVanDam: (11:45 PM) either way, we had 1/4th their member base and
were more active in the gaming community
RobVanDam: (11:45 PM) and in the gaming community, we were successful
too
Chuck: (11:46 PM) “were” does that mean that BF1942 isn’t so successful
anymore?
RobVanDam: (11:47 PM) I don’t know anymore, I’m not integral in it
anymore
RobVanDam: (11:47 PM) me and James were two big figures in it, but I am
pretty sure it will continue on good
RobVanDam: (11:47 PM) the people we recruited are smart, they started
organizing stuff when we were too busy, they’re smart enough to keep
goin smoothly
RobVanDam: (11:48 PM) granted, the person who gets appointed to take our
place isn’t much of a surprise
RobVanDam: (11:48 PM) Lami’s twin bro, who had never played teh game
with us at all
RobVanDam: (11:48 PM) who doesn’t even know the basic things of how we
meet and such
Chuck: (11:48 PM) So in the past, HF provided servers for its members,
but it doesn;t anymore?
RobVanDam: (11:48 PM) and he’s given leadership
RobVanDam: (11:48 PM) CS got one
RobVanDam: (11:48 PM) CS had 2 I think
RobVanDam: (11:49 PM) other realms didn’t need servers
Chuck: (11:49 PM) Given leadership right after getting back to HF after
inactivity?
RobVanDam: (11:49 PM) yea, he’s been inactive for lord knows how long
RobVanDam: (11:49 PM) he was in military training
RobVanDam: (11:49 PM) just got back, and just got power
RobVanDam: (11:50 PM) fucking HF politics is getting insane
Chuck: (11:50 PM) Well youknow what they say about connections,
connections, connections
RobVanDam: (11:52 PM) lol, that’s probably why I lasted so long
Chuck: (11:53 PM) Take it that you left because you got mad as hell and
couldn’t take it anymore?
RobVanDam: (11:54 PM) that, and the entire CS realm was overruled in
kicking out a member of their realm, when I alone already had double the
power needed to do it
Chuck: (11:55 PM) Who was that?
RobVanDam: (11:56 PM) who, the overruler, or the member that was to be
kicked out
Chuck: (11:56 PM) the member who wasn’t kicked out.
RobVanDam: (11:57 PM) Elmin
Chuck: (11:57 PM) Jimmy Page?
RobVanDam: (11:57 PM) whatever the fuck that dumbass goes by now
Chuck: (11:58 PM) Why was he kept? Take it that Laminad or Aeon were the
overrulers?
RobVanDam: (11:58 PM) Lami
RobVanDam: (11:59 PM) Aeon agreeing after listening to Lami
RobVanDam: (11:59 PM) of course, I didn’t get any say in it
RobVanDam: (11:59 PM) by the time I got to talk to Lami, the decision
was all made
RobVanDam: (11:59 PM) and of course, with that decision, it doesn’t
matter what you say with one item of power, or the second, or with the
entire realm backing you
RobVanDam: (12:00 AM) Lami said it, so it must be obeyed
RobVanDam: (12:00 AM) if I can get Usk, one of Elmin’s friends, one of
the people who LIKES Elm to go along with me, that HAS to be a fucking
clue doesn’t it?
Chuck: (12:01 AM) Got this from StormFire earlier in a PM:
In other words, if the shit hits the fan, we’ll fix it, otherwise we let
the Realm Leader do their job, dont wanna step on their toes. It is,
after all, their Realms.
RobVanDam: (12:01 AM) bullshit
RobVanDam: (12:01 AM) you need a MAJOR offense
RobVanDam: (12:01 AM) and you need to act RIGHT THEN
RobVanDam: (12:02 AM) otherwise, “It wouldn’t be fair”
Chuck: (12:02 AM) Yes it is aclue. SF kind of contradicts what went on.
I’m pretty sure that Krioni didn’t want to give HYper just a slap on the
wrist.
RobVanDam: (12:03 AM) I’d love to see someone just step up and go all
gung ho on punishments
Chuck: (12:03 AM) Yes, absolutely.
RobVanDam: (12:03 AM) I would have LOVED to see BBG go on the forums
publicly about strong punishment on HY and Jewel
RobVanDam: (12:03 AM) and if Aeon would have even touched them, I would
have had a field day
Chuck: (12:04 AM) Well I did on the Gen Disc Forum and Aeon moved it to
the Uth Nagor thing and locked it.
RobVanDam: (12:05 AM) yea, I mean like hardcore
RobVanDam: (12:05 AM) I dunno, it’s probably on a scale only I would
have the guts to do
RobVanDam: (12:05 AM) but then again, I never care what people think of
me
Chuck: (12:07 AM) Earlier, when Jewel posted to the BBG Realm Forum
about Friday night’s operation, I deleted the thread and told him not to
post about the op until after it was over with since enemies might read
it on the forum. What did he do? He postied about it on the Gen Disc
Forum. Unbelievable.
RobVanDam: (12:08 AM) and what’s worse, nothing bad will happen unless
new leadership is installed
RobVanDam: (12:08 AM) remember that one post that Darkwulf and Krioni
made about things that need changing?
Chuck: (12:09 AM) From what I can tell, all of the Clan Staff treated
what happened in TDZK as just minor stuff.
RobVanDam: (12:09 AM) because they’re fucking retarded
Chuck: (12:09 AM) NOt sure on what post you mean.
RobVanDam: (12:09 AM) it was old
RobVanDam: (12:09 AM) it had good content, but Darkwulf went about the
wrong way of posting it
RobVanDam: (12:10 AM) because he singled out the BBG as a the only good
realm in HF, which don’t help reform
RobVanDam: (12:10 AM) if someone were to post that exact same thing with
all the BBG stuff takin out, saying basically everything said here,
stuff might be done
RobVanDam: (12:11 AM) because a large majority of HF is sheep
RobVanDam: (12:11 AM) I COULD have changed HF to look very much like
HEL, but it would have taken me,alone, about 6 months to do it
Chuck: (12:11 AM) On what board was it posted and about when? I could
look it up and post an improved version.
RobVanDam: (12:12 AM) I’ll find it, this kinda stuff is my specialty
Chuck: (12:12 AM) thank you
RobVanDam: (12:12 AM) might be too old though
Chuck: (12:13 AM) You mean from the old forum?
RobVanDam: (12:13 AM) no, just might be very very buried in this forum,
meaning I’d have to go thread by thread
RobVanDam: (12:13 AM) and it’s spread out over many forums
RobVanDam: (12:13 AM) I think it might be in the OLD member’s only
forum, meaning it’d be inaccessable
Chuck: (12:15 AM) I guess I do remember a DW post once that said that
BBG was the best realm and that the others needed reform to be as good
as we were.
Chuck: (12:15 AM) Or something like that.
RobVanDam: (12:19 AM) it wasn’t really a BBG is the best clan ever
RobVanDam: (12:19 AM) it was more how there are problems in HF
RobVanDam: (12:19 AM) he just said it horribly horribly wrong
Chuck: (12:22 AM) Aeon on the Uth Nagor thread explaining his view on
the HYper thing to UsuRpeR:
dave, i locked it because there is another post that explains everything
and you’ll see its a bit more comlpicated that just ‘he cheated’.
Its only more complicated in that what HYper could have started a war
that we would have a good chance of losing.
RobVanDam: (12:22 AM) and how much does Aeon care?
RobVanDam: (12:23 AM) I’m tempted to dig out my Aeon logs for a good ol’
chuckle
RobVanDam: (12:23 AM) one sec
Chuck: (12:23 AM) zilch
RobVanDam: (12:31 AM) lol, I found a funny old log
Chuck: (12:32 AM) From the in-game HF1 Alliance Forum:
21:58] but you didn’t see us stooping so low as to CHEAT to try and make
things work.
[21:58] right
[21:59] well you see
[21:59] its a game
[21:59] a small little thing
[21:59] no one got hurt
[
Chuck: (12:32 AM) 21:59] but if you want to take it personally
[21:59] go for it
Chuck: (12:33 AM) From the logs on the forum, its clear that Jewel
admitted then that he cheated.
RobVanDam: (12:34 AM) want to read a boring log about how serious Aeon
can get when his power is threatened?
RobVanDam: (12:35 AM) or exposed
Chuck: (12:35 AM) Sure
RobVanDam: (12:35 AM) back with the whole HF FU fiasco, I was one of the
people that wandered into this thing where we found we had a spy in FU
RobVanDam: (12:36 AM) secretly feeding Aeon stuff
Chuck: (12:37 AM) And Aeon reacted like a scalded cat?
RobVanDam: (12:37 AM) he acted all powerful pretty much, lol
Chuck: (12:38 AM) How did he reach his position? Hardly any of the Clan
Staff seem to really know what they’re doing.
RobVanDam: (12:39 AM) can I get your email, this new proggie can’t
transfer
RobVanDam: (12:39 AM) Aeon basically usurped others
RobVanDam: (12:39 AM) Lami got his handed to him on a silver platter
RobVanDam: (12:39 AM) Sean, don’t knwo
Chuck: (12:39 AM) yes.
crector@clan-forsaken.com
or
hftrex@graffiti.net
RobVanDam: (12:39 AM) Stormy I think was way back in the day
Chuck: (12:41 AM) Thinking back on it, the decline might have started
when ATmo left. Never did really understand that episode.
RobVanDam: (12:41 AM) nah, I’d say about a year ago when newer people
came to power
RobVanDam: (12:41 AM) because alot of the people now don’t have a clue
RobVanDam: (12:41 AM) 2 years ago membership started going down
Chuck: (12:42 AM) When the old time section leaders like BlueFiche were
replaced?
RobVanDam: (12:42 AM) yea
RobVanDam: (12:42 AM) him, Castaway, those types
Chuck: (12:46 AM) Right now on HF IRC:
Jewel is waiting outside the port to kill you.
I know
We’ve got a little suprise prepared though.
thanks.
give me a sec and I’ll have Desert Fox position outside the port
Then we’ll jump Jewel
RobVanDam: (12:47 AM) haha
Chuck: (12:48 AM) What caused the FU guys to jump ship? The kind of
stuff we’ve been talking about?
RobVanDam: (12:48 AM) a whole bunch of bullshit
RobVanDam: (12:49 AM) I never liked Sarv to begin with, but if you can
get behind and truely see Aeon and Lami, they’re REALLY power hungry
Chuck: (12:51 AM) From the port at #21195:
Sweeeet Revenge Freighter L: 140 30/14
Jewel [Online] Kitaran L: 15 [Examine]
RobVanDam: (12:52 AM) [00:47] yep
[00:47] I can’t wait for this, lol
[00:49] if he pods anyone in hf I’m gonna place bounties so large they
will rank 3rd in the galaxy EACH, on his and all of his “brothers”
accounts.
[00:50] unless our members pod him sufficiently
Chuck: (12:57 AM) Did you see Jerle’s post on the email addys that
Jewel’s “brothers” used?
All starting with jeweladdict
RobVanDam: (12:57 AM) but one was his that he gave to his bro’s!
RobVanDam: (12:58 AM) honest!
Chuck: (12:59 AM) I doubt he even has a brother. Back when I was in the
TM and we had our own SE game, there was a guy who Spiritclaw caught
with 8 accounts all using the same email address all created in 45
minutes time span who claimed that they were all accounts of family
members.
RobVanDam: (1:00 AM) oh he has a bro! look at the pic!!
RobVanDam: (1:00 AM) [/sarcasm]
Chuck: (1:01 AM) [19:44] hey aeon, is it possible to remove someone
from HF for
lack of intelligence and call it lack of maturity?
[19:45] no i can’t just kick out azues
[19:45] uhh
[19:45] i mean..
Chuck: (1:02 AM) Very graceful of Aeon there…
RobVanDam: (1:02 AM) I was begging to kcik Azues out for weeks
Chuck: (1:04 AM) Just happened t think that most of the clans that have
been close to HF such as the DOH and Flesheaterz are dead now.
RobVanDam: (1:06 AM) yup
Chuck: (1:06 AM) Is Josh the same guy as Slushy?
RobVanDam: (1:06 AM) noooooo
Chuck: (1:07 AM) ok…Slushy messed up big on Friday night;s raid along
with HYper. He playws TDZK under the name of Josiah.
Chuck: (1:08 AM) [23:36] you should learn not to bite the hand that
feeds
you
[23:37] you need to learn to adjust your mentality for
the situation
And they say that HF is a mature gaming clan with no room for lamers……..
RobVanDam: (1:08 AM) lol
Chuck: (1:11 AM) [23:39] hf is meaningless So that’s what his attitude
is!
Chuck: (1:14 AM) Well, from what you sent, Aeon is a uber-lamer.
RobVanDam: (1:14 AM) lol
RobVanDam: (1:15 AM) you wouldn’t believe how long I’ve been waiting to
show that to someone
Chuck: (1:16 AM) If you showed it to me before the TDZK hogwash, I might
have thought that you had fabricated it.
RobVanDam: (1:16 AM) lol
RobVanDam: (1:16 AM) I ain’t one to lie, it’s more fun to catch people
in the act
RobVanDam: (1:21 AM)
http://www.clan-forsaken.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10639
RobVanDam: (1:21 AM) my favorite example of catching someone
Chuck: (1:21 AM) Yes. When I first posted to the BBG Realm Forum, I felt
for sure that HYper at least would get kicked from his position of the
GRFX Forum
RobVanDam: (1:21 AM) scroll down to the very bottom and my last large
post and log from 3 to the bottom
RobVanDam: (1:21 AM) if you’re too lazy, just read the summation
RobVanDam: (1:22 AM) HY couldn’t be kicked for anything that little!
that wouldn’t be fair!
RobVanDam: (1:22 AM) I’d show ya the log from Lami telling me what’s
gonna happen with Elm, but it’d be only one sided
RobVanDam: (1:23 AM) because I spammed the hell out of him in PM because
he muted me so he could talk without being interrupted, lol
Chuck: (1:31 AM) Laminad sounds even more lame than Aeon….
RobVanDam: (1:32 AM) I’d think he’s more power hungry than anyone I’ve
ever met
RobVanDam: (1:33 AM) you know those stuck up preppy’s that are
presidents of all these organizations and shit like that?
Chuck: (1:33 AM) Lami’s one of them?
RobVanDam: (1:33 AM) yuppers
Chuck: (1:34 AM) HF seems more and more like High School….the “pop kids”
in charge and totally unfit for their offices…..
RobVanDam: (1:34 AM) yup
RobVanDam: (1:34 AM) that’s exactly what it’s like now
Chuck: (1:35 AM) Would it be ok with you if I posted our ICQ conv on the
in-game alliance forum in TDZK?
RobVanDam: (1:35 AM) I don’t care
RobVanDam: (1:36 AM) anything we ever talk about you can distrubute
anyway you want
RobVanDam: (1:36 AM) never cared what people thought about me, no use
starting now
Chuck: (1:36 AM) Thank you. Up until the HYper incident, I was
reasonably happy in HF. Not so now.
RobVanDam: (1:37 AM) it’s just better to know what you’re apart of then
to be left in the dark
Sunday, August 30, 2015
Info From Jerle on ICQ
I forgot to cut and paste this from Jerle on ICQ to
you on AIM:
Chuck: (10:31 PM) DarkFlare is wondering if his
banning from TDZK will be lifted when the game resets
in June......
Jerle: (10:46 PM) He's actually not 'banned' banned at
the moment, just his former account. We generally
don't server ban people on the first offense.
Jerle: (10:46 PM) If he wants to make another
character he may, it just gets flagged for close
observation.
I'll send you more on Krioni's threat to OMGN if he
makes them again.......
you on AIM:
Chuck: (10:31 PM) DarkFlare is wondering if his
banning from TDZK will be lifted when the game resets
in June......
Jerle: (10:46 PM) He's actually not 'banned' banned at
the moment, just his former account. We generally
don't server ban people on the first offense.
Jerle: (10:46 PM) If he wants to make another
character he may, it just gets flagged for close
observation.
I'll send you more on Krioni's threat to OMGN if he
makes them again.......
Stop Giving Stuff to crector!
Stop copying posts for crector
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crector was banned from this forum for a reason. On
top of that I am sure he has a Gb of copied
coversations and threads on his harddrive, you guys
don't need to keep fueling the fire. If I find that a
BBGer is still feeding crector info from these forums,
they will be dealt with harshly.
crector is gone, he has no ties with HF anylonger.
Stop giving him more things to complain about.
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someone is still doing it.
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crector was banned from this forum for a reason. On
top of that I am sure he has a Gb of copied
coversations and threads on his harddrive, you guys
don't need to keep fueling the fire. If I find that a
BBGer is still feeding crector info from these forums,
they will be dealt with harshly.
crector is gone, he has no ties with HF anylonger.
Stop giving him more things to complain about.
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someone is still doing it.
Saturday, August 29, 2015
March 23rd, 2003 Exchange With Pinkus
Mar 23 - 19:55 crector(HF)
3 things:
1st, my fleet is now set to mining metals for the
planet.
2nd, I've got 100 ships & want to have ships of all
varieties in the fleet. To whom should I transfer some
of the MF's & where would I park them so that the new
owner can pick them up?
3rd, Contrary to what K/P said, the meeting had indeed
started & even if it hadn't, then kick/banning would
still have been warranted. Hyperion was shouting such
things as "RAPE HIM!," "beep*beep," making references
to R. Kelly and stuff. I talked to Jerle about it
later, and Jerle who had read the logs , completely
agreed that kick/banning was fully warranted. Jerle
also agreed that it would be a waste of time to bother
posting about it to the HF Forum since by that time,
it was quite obvious that no matter what the facts,
the HF leadership was bound & determined to coddle the
cheaters. As for the "so-called meeting" bit, there
were roughly 20 active players there.
- Reply - LogMar 23 - 19:38 Pinkus(HF)
You rebel :)
FYI the so called meeting they had wasn't even started
yet and the certain higher up was me. The reason he
said crector wasn't HF material was because he stopped
listening and doing as his superiors said.
~Pinkus
HousE ForsakeN - Reply - LogMar 23 - 19:33 crector(HF)
In reference to some of the previous posts here:
I joined up with House Forsaken because at that time ,
it was an honorable guild. It no longer is. I do not
wish to belong to a clan that condones cheating &
other bad stuff.
There is also a lot of other stuff in this case that I
never did post to the forum, that you guys probably
don't know about notwithstanding UsuRpeR's drivel
about how I was "spamming" the forum. Believe me, if I
really wanted to, I could have posted a whole lot more
to the HF Forum than I did.
For instance, on Thursday there was a meeting on the
HF IRC #tdzk room to coordinate a planet bust. Well,
Hyperion showed up and proceeded to spam it up &
completely disrupted the proceedings. As a result, I
had to kick/ban him from the room. Hyperion thereupon
complained to a certain higher up who then ICQ'd this
writer and demanded that I let Hyperion back in the
#tdzk room. I refused, pointing out that since
Hyperion was banned from playing TDZK, then he had no
business being in the #tdzk room in the first place.
The higher up then said to go to a HF IRC room where
Aeon, the 2nd in command of HF was. Aeon gave Yours
Truly a direct order to let Hyperion back in the #tdzk
room, which I refused. Aeon then proceeded to accuse
this writer of not being "HF material." Just 1 week
earlier, such a statement would have been a mortal
insult, but by Thursday, it was like water off a
duck's back. Then, both Aeon & the higher up proceeded
to babble about how I had "complete disrespect for
higher authority." The irony here is that even if I
were willing to let Hyperion back in the #tdzk room, I
wouldn't have been able to since my knowledge of such
things is quite limited.
As for the idea of an OMGN SE game, the basic idea is
to have both a Solar Empire Guide & a matching SE
game. As of now, I think that it will still come off
this summer. If you have any suggestions or ideas for
it, please feel free to post them here or email them
to hftrex@graffiti.net As for that @clan-forsaken.com
forwarding address, its still going strong sending
roughly 90% of all the spam that I receive.
P.S.: You may have noticed that lately I've been using
the name, "Hyperion," whereas until recently I always
used either -=HY=- or HYper. There's a good reason for
that. Back in the original Space Merchant, there was a
Forsaken member (remember Warlock?) named Hyperion who
was the sort of player who gave the term "lamer" a bad
name. In my mine, I didn't want to call our guy
"Hyperion," since that was also the name of a scumbag.
Now, I call him Hyperion & he doesn't even realize
that he's being insulted.
- Reply - Log
3 things:
1st, my fleet is now set to mining metals for the
planet.
2nd, I've got 100 ships & want to have ships of all
varieties in the fleet. To whom should I transfer some
of the MF's & where would I park them so that the new
owner can pick them up?
3rd, Contrary to what K/P said, the meeting had indeed
started & even if it hadn't, then kick/banning would
still have been warranted. Hyperion was shouting such
things as "RAPE HIM!," "beep*beep," making references
to R. Kelly and stuff. I talked to Jerle about it
later, and Jerle who had read the logs , completely
agreed that kick/banning was fully warranted. Jerle
also agreed that it would be a waste of time to bother
posting about it to the HF Forum since by that time,
it was quite obvious that no matter what the facts,
the HF leadership was bound & determined to coddle the
cheaters. As for the "so-called meeting" bit, there
were roughly 20 active players there.
- Reply - LogMar 23 - 19:38 Pinkus(HF)
You rebel :)
FYI the so called meeting they had wasn't even started
yet and the certain higher up was me. The reason he
said crector wasn't HF material was because he stopped
listening and doing as his superiors said.
~Pinkus
HousE ForsakeN - Reply - LogMar 23 - 19:33 crector(HF)
In reference to some of the previous posts here:
I joined up with House Forsaken because at that time ,
it was an honorable guild. It no longer is. I do not
wish to belong to a clan that condones cheating &
other bad stuff.
There is also a lot of other stuff in this case that I
never did post to the forum, that you guys probably
don't know about notwithstanding UsuRpeR's drivel
about how I was "spamming" the forum. Believe me, if I
really wanted to, I could have posted a whole lot more
to the HF Forum than I did.
For instance, on Thursday there was a meeting on the
HF IRC #tdzk room to coordinate a planet bust. Well,
Hyperion showed up and proceeded to spam it up &
completely disrupted the proceedings. As a result, I
had to kick/ban him from the room. Hyperion thereupon
complained to a certain higher up who then ICQ'd this
writer and demanded that I let Hyperion back in the
#tdzk room. I refused, pointing out that since
Hyperion was banned from playing TDZK, then he had no
business being in the #tdzk room in the first place.
The higher up then said to go to a HF IRC room where
Aeon, the 2nd in command of HF was. Aeon gave Yours
Truly a direct order to let Hyperion back in the #tdzk
room, which I refused. Aeon then proceeded to accuse
this writer of not being "HF material." Just 1 week
earlier, such a statement would have been a mortal
insult, but by Thursday, it was like water off a
duck's back. Then, both Aeon & the higher up proceeded
to babble about how I had "complete disrespect for
higher authority." The irony here is that even if I
were willing to let Hyperion back in the #tdzk room, I
wouldn't have been able to since my knowledge of such
things is quite limited.
As for the idea of an OMGN SE game, the basic idea is
to have both a Solar Empire Guide & a matching SE
game. As of now, I think that it will still come off
this summer. If you have any suggestions or ideas for
it, please feel free to post them here or email them
to hftrex@graffiti.net As for that @clan-forsaken.com
forwarding address, its still going strong sending
roughly 90% of all the spam that I receive.
P.S.: You may have noticed that lately I've been using
the name, "Hyperion," whereas until recently I always
used either -=HY=- or HYper. There's a good reason for
that. Back in the original Space Merchant, there was a
Forsaken member (remember Warlock?) named Hyperion who
was the sort of player who gave the term "lamer" a bad
name. In my mine, I didn't want to call our guy
"Hyperion," since that was also the name of a scumbag.
Now, I call him Hyperion & he doesn't even realize
that he's being insulted.
- Reply - Log
DLB ICQ Conv March 22nd, 2003
DracoLichB: (5:14 PM) Thank you, so what do you plan
on doing next round?
Chuck: (5:14 PM) Start my own alliance in TDZK.
DracoLichB: (5:16 PM) gl
Chuck: (5:16 PM) Interested in joining?
DracoLichB: (5:18 PM) i think i am going to sit out
next round. i will be having midterms and finals which
i need to study for and get good grades on. i am also
just losing interest in bbgs as a whole. they simply
eat too much time.
Chuck: (5:18 PM) ok...The next round of TDZK doesn't
start until June anyways.
DracoLichB: (5:19 PM) ... shit, then i may not be
playing much this round in a couple weeks. sorry im
used to yap round which dont last very long at all
Chuck: (5:20 PM) ok...I understand. Do you blame me
for leaving HF?
DracoLichB: (5:20 PM) nope. the more i hear the less i
blame ppl for leaving. and this case is just plain bs
Chuck: (5:36 PM) As for school, have you taken any
classes relevant to creating games yet?
DracoLichB: (5:36 PM) im in c, ive taken c++
DracoLichB: (5:37 PM) next semester i will be in one
called game design or something like that
Chuck: (5:38 PM) decent. How did you do in c++ class?
DracoLichB: (5:38 PM) b, my teacher was horrible :-(
she was never there and didnt teach us a thing.
Chuck: (5:38 PM) Did he have tenure?
DracoLichB: (5:39 PM) she and yes. she was busy being
athletic director (she was getting job next year) and
that was her only class
Chuck: (5:56 PM) An athletic director teaching comp
programming?
DracoLichB: (5:56 PM) teach is used very loosely
Chuck: (5:57 PM) My oldest brother had a Geometry
teacher in high school who would give the students an
assignment for the next day and then abandon the
classroom for the teacher's lounge.
DracoLichB: (5:58 PM) god
Chuck: (6:13 PM) That guy was a teacher for nearly 30
years, and left just before I was to take Geometry
myaself. On several occaisions, he showed up at the
high school after retiring. Guess where he always
went straight to? The teacher's lounge!
DracoLichB: (6:13 PM) lol
Chuck: (6:28 PM) Earlier, you said:
DracoLichB: (5:20 PM) nope. the more i hear the less i
blame ppl for leaving. and this case is just plain bs
What else have you heard lately?
DracoLichB: (6:29 PM) rvd, our whole possible split.
the bf ppl leaving. there were some wc3 ppl who left.
Chuck: (7:22 PM) How much chance is there now of the
BF1942 Realm splitting off?
DracoLichB: (7:23 PM) not much, the ones who wanted to
leave alrdy did. i think there were 3-4 rvd was one of
them
Chuck: (7:41 PM) Outside of BBG, there doesn't seem to
be much qualitiy recruiting going on, is there?
DracoLichB: (7:42 PM) bf has some, but it kind of
stopped fast. we had some really good recruits who
came in then it just kind of fell apart for some
reason. wc3 is getting some recruits but most ppl in
that realm tend to ignore me so i just gave up on it.
Chuck: (7:43 PM) You said that BBG's eat up time. How
about store-bought games?
DracoLichB: (7:44 PM) err, bbgs eat up more time :-P
the problem is you have to tkeep clicking and cant
just ave in the middle and come back. depending on
turns you are using it can be alot of time. that and
lag.
Chuck: (10:23 PM) Presumably, I've been banned from
the HF Forums, but look came in the email just now:
Subject: Topic Reply Notification - Clan Forsaken
Revamping Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:29:43 UT
From:forum@clan-forsaken.com
DracoLichB: (10:24 PM) he said if you trolled you
would be banned, but im not sure
on doing next round?
Chuck: (5:14 PM) Start my own alliance in TDZK.
DracoLichB: (5:16 PM) gl
Chuck: (5:16 PM) Interested in joining?
DracoLichB: (5:18 PM) i think i am going to sit out
next round. i will be having midterms and finals which
i need to study for and get good grades on. i am also
just losing interest in bbgs as a whole. they simply
eat too much time.
Chuck: (5:18 PM) ok...The next round of TDZK doesn't
start until June anyways.
DracoLichB: (5:19 PM) ... shit, then i may not be
playing much this round in a couple weeks. sorry im
used to yap round which dont last very long at all
Chuck: (5:20 PM) ok...I understand. Do you blame me
for leaving HF?
DracoLichB: (5:20 PM) nope. the more i hear the less i
blame ppl for leaving. and this case is just plain bs
Chuck: (5:36 PM) As for school, have you taken any
classes relevant to creating games yet?
DracoLichB: (5:36 PM) im in c, ive taken c++
DracoLichB: (5:37 PM) next semester i will be in one
called game design or something like that
Chuck: (5:38 PM) decent. How did you do in c++ class?
DracoLichB: (5:38 PM) b, my teacher was horrible :-(
she was never there and didnt teach us a thing.
Chuck: (5:38 PM) Did he have tenure?
DracoLichB: (5:39 PM) she and yes. she was busy being
athletic director (she was getting job next year) and
that was her only class
Chuck: (5:56 PM) An athletic director teaching comp
programming?
DracoLichB: (5:56 PM) teach is used very loosely
Chuck: (5:57 PM) My oldest brother had a Geometry
teacher in high school who would give the students an
assignment for the next day and then abandon the
classroom for the teacher's lounge.
DracoLichB: (5:58 PM) god
Chuck: (6:13 PM) That guy was a teacher for nearly 30
years, and left just before I was to take Geometry
myaself. On several occaisions, he showed up at the
high school after retiring. Guess where he always
went straight to? The teacher's lounge!
DracoLichB: (6:13 PM) lol
Chuck: (6:28 PM) Earlier, you said:
DracoLichB: (5:20 PM) nope. the more i hear the less i
blame ppl for leaving. and this case is just plain bs
What else have you heard lately?
DracoLichB: (6:29 PM) rvd, our whole possible split.
the bf ppl leaving. there were some wc3 ppl who left.
Chuck: (7:22 PM) How much chance is there now of the
BF1942 Realm splitting off?
DracoLichB: (7:23 PM) not much, the ones who wanted to
leave alrdy did. i think there were 3-4 rvd was one of
them
Chuck: (7:41 PM) Outside of BBG, there doesn't seem to
be much qualitiy recruiting going on, is there?
DracoLichB: (7:42 PM) bf has some, but it kind of
stopped fast. we had some really good recruits who
came in then it just kind of fell apart for some
reason. wc3 is getting some recruits but most ppl in
that realm tend to ignore me so i just gave up on it.
Chuck: (7:43 PM) You said that BBG's eat up time. How
about store-bought games?
DracoLichB: (7:44 PM) err, bbgs eat up more time :-P
the problem is you have to tkeep clicking and cant
just ave in the middle and come back. depending on
turns you are using it can be alot of time. that and
lag.
Chuck: (10:23 PM) Presumably, I've been banned from
the HF Forums, but look came in the email just now:
Subject: Topic Reply Notification - Clan Forsaken
Revamping Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:29:43 UT
From:forum@clan-forsaken.com
DracoLichB: (10:24 PM) he said if you trolled you
would be banned, but im not sure
UsuRpeR Thread
UsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MesscrectorFortunately I have not been pulled into
this particular mess. However, I'm getting tired of
it. One thing I find amusing, just what do you mean by
me supposedly wanting to be supreme ruler... Do people
like you have your heads up your asses or something?
Anyone who knows me knows I don't fit that bill.
In fact I have done nothing but encourage members to
step up to the plate and be the leaders of this clan.
Clearly you do NOT know how to fill those shoes. The
way you have handled this situation Crector is totally
unacceptable! I expect HF's leadership to handle
issues that arise maturely, level headed, and fairly.
How did you think the situation would be resolved by
apparently spamming posts all over our boards
basically "whining" about Jewel and HY. From what I
saw there was nothing in your posts to resolve the
situation, you just ran your mouth off making
accusations and complaints.
You should have addressed the situation with staff,
evaluated the situation, heard from all sides
involved, and made an intelligent decision as to how
to handle the situation with your fellow staff
members. Instead you chose to make it a side show all
over our boards!
This will be further discussed on the staff boards,
until then I suggest you get your act together and
instead of making complaints off the wall about HF,
come up with solutions and something positive to contribute.
House Forsaken 2 Forum Topic ViewcrectorUsuRpeR Weighs
In On The HF/TDZK MesscrectorFortunately I have not
been pulled into this particular mess. However, I'm
getting tired of it. One thing I find amusing, just
what do you mean by me supposedly wanting to be
supreme ruler... Do people like you have your heads up
your asses or something? Anyone who knows me knows I
don't fit that bill.
In fact I have done nothing but encourage members to
step up to the plate and be the leaders of this clan.
Clearly you do NOT know how to fill those shoes. The
way you have handled this situation Crector is totally
unacceptable! I expect HF's leadership to handle
issues that arise maturely, level headed, and fairly.
How did you think the situation would be resolved by
apparently spamming posts all over our boards
basically "whining" about Jewel and HY. From what I
saw there was nothing in your posts to resolve the
situation, you just ran your mouth off making
accusations and complaints.
You should have addressed the situation with staff,
evaluated the situation, heard from all sides
involved, and made an intelligent decision as to how
to handle the situation with your fellow staff
members. Instead you chose to make it a side show all
over our boards!
This will be further discussed on the staff boards,
until then I suggest you get your act together and
instead of making complaints off the wall about HF,
come up with solutions and something positive to
contribute.03/22/03 06:49:59
ESTDeleteReplySilver-DarkUsuRpeR Weighs In On The
HF/TDZK MessSilver-Dark... fine, i reply as
requested... i see nothing that needs my opinion. At
least not an opinion You would want to hear crector...
grow up03/22/03 12:03:53 ESTReplyPageUsuRpeR Weighs In
On The HF/TDZK MessPageive read this so many times,
just posted in different ways03/22/03 12:05:25
ESTReplyWamphyriUsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MessWamphyrireply03/22/03 13:44:48 ESTReplyLeneUsuRpeR
Weighs In On The HF/TDZK MessLenecrector: I think ur a
really good leader... (not that i'd really know), and
dont worry 'bout it ok
lene
<bronze fire>03/22/03 19:46:03
ESTReplySpecialEdUsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MessSpecialEdhmmmmm sorry... but thats some bs...
crector u like showed me how 2 do this whole thing and
ur a great leader... from 1 thing hes gonna go out on
u like that? let me talk 2 him lol03/23/03 13:38:42
ESTReplySilver-DarkUsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MessSilver-DarkBefore any of you get pissed at Usurper
- Dave....
Take it from a member whos been in HF since 97.
He doesnt go off on ANYONE without cause. This message
was NOT MENT to be posted on these boards.
Crector is finishing his time with hf in TDZK and
Solar Empire,
Do what you will BUT DO NOT TAKE SIDES. You dont know
the whole story. I Dont care for crector, Hes a great
person IN GAME, but he shows lack of judment
everywhere else.
PERIOD. I hate to do this, but Im sick of this shit,
and wether you know it or not, you are contributing to
it by takeing a side. As everything that is an issue
is ment for the members only. not the recruits, and
not our allies.
Thank you for reading this.03/23/03 22:22:13
ESTReplySilver-DarkUsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MessSilver-Darkwhile im on the note of how this isnt
the business of the general public, will one of the
Forum Mods please remove this thread. or erase the
content of Daves post...03/23/03 22:28:22 ESTReply
MesscrectorFortunately I have not been pulled into
this particular mess. However, I'm getting tired of
it. One thing I find amusing, just what do you mean by
me supposedly wanting to be supreme ruler... Do people
like you have your heads up your asses or something?
Anyone who knows me knows I don't fit that bill.
In fact I have done nothing but encourage members to
step up to the plate and be the leaders of this clan.
Clearly you do NOT know how to fill those shoes. The
way you have handled this situation Crector is totally
unacceptable! I expect HF's leadership to handle
issues that arise maturely, level headed, and fairly.
How did you think the situation would be resolved by
apparently spamming posts all over our boards
basically "whining" about Jewel and HY. From what I
saw there was nothing in your posts to resolve the
situation, you just ran your mouth off making
accusations and complaints.
You should have addressed the situation with staff,
evaluated the situation, heard from all sides
involved, and made an intelligent decision as to how
to handle the situation with your fellow staff
members. Instead you chose to make it a side show all
over our boards!
This will be further discussed on the staff boards,
until then I suggest you get your act together and
instead of making complaints off the wall about HF,
come up with solutions and something positive to contribute.
House Forsaken 2 Forum Topic ViewcrectorUsuRpeR Weighs
In On The HF/TDZK MesscrectorFortunately I have not
been pulled into this particular mess. However, I'm
getting tired of it. One thing I find amusing, just
what do you mean by me supposedly wanting to be
supreme ruler... Do people like you have your heads up
your asses or something? Anyone who knows me knows I
don't fit that bill.
In fact I have done nothing but encourage members to
step up to the plate and be the leaders of this clan.
Clearly you do NOT know how to fill those shoes. The
way you have handled this situation Crector is totally
unacceptable! I expect HF's leadership to handle
issues that arise maturely, level headed, and fairly.
How did you think the situation would be resolved by
apparently spamming posts all over our boards
basically "whining" about Jewel and HY. From what I
saw there was nothing in your posts to resolve the
situation, you just ran your mouth off making
accusations and complaints.
You should have addressed the situation with staff,
evaluated the situation, heard from all sides
involved, and made an intelligent decision as to how
to handle the situation with your fellow staff
members. Instead you chose to make it a side show all
over our boards!
This will be further discussed on the staff boards,
until then I suggest you get your act together and
instead of making complaints off the wall about HF,
come up with solutions and something positive to
contribute.03/22/03 06:49:59
ESTDeleteReplySilver-DarkUsuRpeR Weighs In On The
HF/TDZK MessSilver-Dark... fine, i reply as
requested... i see nothing that needs my opinion. At
least not an opinion You would want to hear crector...
grow up03/22/03 12:03:53 ESTReplyPageUsuRpeR Weighs In
On The HF/TDZK MessPageive read this so many times,
just posted in different ways03/22/03 12:05:25
ESTReplyWamphyriUsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MessWamphyrireply03/22/03 13:44:48 ESTReplyLeneUsuRpeR
Weighs In On The HF/TDZK MessLenecrector: I think ur a
really good leader... (not that i'd really know), and
dont worry 'bout it ok
lene
<bronze fire>03/22/03 19:46:03
ESTReplySpecialEdUsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MessSpecialEdhmmmmm sorry... but thats some bs...
crector u like showed me how 2 do this whole thing and
ur a great leader... from 1 thing hes gonna go out on
u like that? let me talk 2 him lol03/23/03 13:38:42
ESTReplySilver-DarkUsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MessSilver-DarkBefore any of you get pissed at Usurper
- Dave....
Take it from a member whos been in HF since 97.
He doesnt go off on ANYONE without cause. This message
was NOT MENT to be posted on these boards.
Crector is finishing his time with hf in TDZK and
Solar Empire,
Do what you will BUT DO NOT TAKE SIDES. You dont know
the whole story. I Dont care for crector, Hes a great
person IN GAME, but he shows lack of judment
everywhere else.
PERIOD. I hate to do this, but Im sick of this shit,
and wether you know it or not, you are contributing to
it by takeing a side. As everything that is an issue
is ment for the members only. not the recruits, and
not our allies.
Thank you for reading this.03/23/03 22:22:13
ESTReplySilver-DarkUsuRpeR Weighs In On The HF/TDZK
MessSilver-Darkwhile im on the note of how this isnt
the business of the general public, will one of the
Forum Mods please remove this thread. or erase the
content of Daves post...03/23/03 22:28:22 ESTReply
UsuRpeR's Failed Leadership Response
Thran
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i have one question... isnt there a point... that
people cant c this forum. I thought there was a reason
for that, but if so im wrong : P
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Crector, you're not helping yourself any.
And they DO have a point about your posting on the GD
forum. And then even after they TOLD you SEVERAL times
to put things like that in Uth Nagor private forums,
or take it up directly with them, you went and did it
AGAIN.
If you expect others to take orders from you, then you
yourself are also going to have to learn to take
orders from those higher up on the chain of command
than you.
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i have one question... isnt there a point... that
people cant c this forum. I thought there was a reason
for that, but if so im wrong : P
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Crector, you're not helping yourself any.
And they DO have a point about your posting on the GD
forum. And then even after they TOLD you SEVERAL times
to put things like that in Uth Nagor private forums,
or take it up directly with them, you went and did it
AGAIN.
If you expect others to take orders from you, then you
yourself are also going to have to learn to take
orders from those higher up on the chain of command
than you.
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Haha guys, besides Hyperion and Jewel I believe that
some of this post (was too lazy to read it before) was
aimed at me. Well what can I say, I'm a horrible
leader. Ever since Star and I took over recruitmanship
as only risen by about 1500% (this is true statistic),
the Warcraft 3 realm has every day after school
constantly 6-8 members or so, on weekends it's
booming, thats about the whole BF section from what
Rob said. I'd like for you to consider the fact that
Rob was a member of the BF realm, and that's all he
was member of. No one really wanted him as WC leader
anymore and when he came back he only caused trouble,
people wanted him to leave. He says that our
recruitmanship is too loose, which is a bunch of crap.
The only recruit ever to make membership and break the
rules so far has been Crook. When he used racial slurs
in a post, Rob immediately (this is a nice habit of
his) jumped and said "BAN BAN BAN" after having been
active in the realm again for 2 days or so. I gave him
that response because I was not ready yet to make an
informed decision yet. Upon speaking to Crook, we both
decided that now was not his time to be in HF. Crook
is now once again in recruitment, in fact he's been
voted back in. He has shaped up, and has not spoken in
that manner since. My job as manager of recruiting
became increasingly more difficult when Rob came
around, he was not testing them, he was simply
harassing. It seemed his goals was to have me horribly
fail, his relationship with star is good, I think, but
he just hates me plainly from the first day we met.
From the Gateway debate to the political debates we
have never agreed upon one thing. Many of our
recruits/members during this time expressed their
concern upon having Rob back, as he was causing chaos.
He also makes attacks on the CS realm, we in WC3 have
many multi-realmers, and most of them come from CS.
Every single member that has/is playing CS that is
playing WC3 is of exceptional attitude. The Warcraft 3
realm goes by a strict theorem of character over
skill, and we live up to it. Upon further reading of
the TDZK game, I understand that multi-accounting is
not the same as in Blizzard games. I also should not
have mentioned the d2 hacking since I am completely
ignorant about it, I should have discussed that with
Neo or someone else beforehand. I found it very
irritating that 2 of former players of the BNet Realms
were being accused of cheating, but not just accused,
they were being lynched. I did not get to see their
side of the story till much much later. I also found
it irritating that multiple posts were made concerning
one topic. Anyways, continuing to Rob's comments, he
finds me an incapable leader, frankly I disagree.
Lately, I have not been able to complete my duties due
to personal reasons, matters of health and others, but
this is why we have two moderators. Rob also seems to
believe that the entire WC3 realm went to hell at my
hand. Once again, we have 2 mods, and Star and I
consult each other on everything beforehand. Rob puts
the BF realm as a victim, and then WC3 and CS realms,
who have nothing to do with it, as an enemy. It was
improper and it's sad when members leave and badmouth
a clan which has done a lot for them. What's even
worse is that he was a leader. In my opinion, a leader
should have an objective eye on things, but must not
jump to conclusions too fast. A leader must also
respect his fellow members, and not feel like his
opinion is more powerful than others. Rob has failed
in both of these. Let me give you an example:
For those of you who are not familiar with Battle.Net,
it is the free gaming server that Blizzard provides to
play its games on. Hacking on this server is of course
against the rules. In warcraft 3 blizzard has
implemented a program that reads hacking and then
sends the information to blizzard. Every once in a
while they ban first-time hackers for a month, and
second-time hackers permanently from the server. To
play on it again you would need a new IP and a new
CD-Key. A while ago when they held one of these
bannings one of our members was banned. Of course an
investigation of the matter is necessary, so Star, Rob
(I let him join in since he was a leader and I felt
his judgement would represent that of the big leaders,
i big mistake on my part), and I lead it. The first
day I announced the investigation I get IM's from Rob
that were like this "Why hasn't he been kicked out of
HF yet." and "What is there to investigate.". Well,
what Rob failed to understand is that it was also
announced that such programs that let you assign your
own hotkeys and other progs in the background(which
aren't hacks or cheating according to Blizzard) were
also read by the program in WC3. This resulted in
people who hadn't cheated being banned. There was
nothing that Blizzard could do to distinguish who did
hack from who didn't. But I can tell you, since his
month has been over the member hasn't ever been banned
again.
RobVanDam said:
Quote:
when he became a leader, his goal wasn't to rebuild
the realm, it was to rebuild his useless fucking NS
Where to start, let's see:
I became leader in September when Star chose me to
become his mod, since I had past experience in
managing recruits for the SC/BW realm under Midnet,
and I've run the BNET Realms since February/March. My
first aim as realm leader was to get recruits, we
needed some fresh and new blood, most of our players
were ex-SC/BW who had lost their gaming appetite and
we're moving on with their lives to college/jobs etc.
Star and I completed this task successfully. We held a
couple of tourney's, which was also never done under
the RVD administration. Funny how he says my only goal
was to rebuild NS, because I didn't decide upon that
till January. Inner factions have always been the core
of competition in the Bnet Realms, ever since I
joined. When Midnet and Manson died, the Neo
Soulburners died with them, and the only remaining
faction was Lar. My idea was that if we could get at
least 2 strong factions, aiming for 3-4, we could
enhance activity in the WC3 realm thus increasing
activity. This has worked to a reasonable extent, a
third faction is in the preparing stages now just
needs to find a strong base to build upon. Tourneys
have been pretty successful up until the last couple
of weeks in which the Warcraft III Expansion Beta was
released. Now the members find themselves split
between playing the Beta on bnet, playing the beta on
Warforge, playing regular Warcraft III on bnet, and
school work. So compared to the other Warcraft III
seasons, we are in wintertime. But once the Expansion
set comes out this summer, expect to see a big boom in
a centralized place.
The Warcraft III realm boasts 25+ members, some of who
are ranked nation-wide according to BNet, and the many
many visitors in our channel on Bnet. We have a high
amount of activity, we have well mannered-character,
and we have a strong feeling of mutual improvement
that will surely make us a strong opposition in the
upcoming clan ladder option on Battle.net.
I myself cannot judge how capable I am of a leader, I
leave that to the members of the Warcraft III realm.
If they unanimously agree that my time is over and
it's time for someone else, then I will gladly step
down. My thoughts will always be for the good of the
clan.
One last thought I would like to leave you with is
that RVD stated that HF was once much better because
we had allies such as the DOH who are now dead.
www.thegamersclan.com, there's the DOH for ya, new and
revived, and good friends of HF.
A message to Crector: Find out more about your sources
before taking everything they say for granted. He just
left the clan, and obviously for a reason. If you see
he was a leader but he says immature and ignorant
stuff like "Aeon's a dumbass" instead of giving
factual and supportive information for his arguments,
then reconsider who you're listening too. Alright if
any WC3 memebrs feel I have forgotten something please
add on, I'm gonna go sleep now.
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Haha guys, besides Hyperion and Jewel I believe that
some of this post (was too lazy to read it before) was
aimed at me. Well what can I say, I'm a horrible
leader. Ever since Star and I took over recruitmanship
as only risen by about 1500% (this is true statistic),
the Warcraft 3 realm has every day after school
constantly 6-8 members or so, on weekends it's
booming, thats about the whole BF section from what
Rob said. I'd like for you to consider the fact that
Rob was a member of the BF realm, and that's all he
was member of. No one really wanted him as WC leader
anymore and when he came back he only caused trouble,
people wanted him to leave. He says that our
recruitmanship is too loose, which is a bunch of crap.
The only recruit ever to make membership and break the
rules so far has been Crook. When he used racial slurs
in a post, Rob immediately (this is a nice habit of
his) jumped and said "BAN BAN BAN" after having been
active in the realm again for 2 days or so. I gave him
that response because I was not ready yet to make an
informed decision yet. Upon speaking to Crook, we both
decided that now was not his time to be in HF. Crook
is now once again in recruitment, in fact he's been
voted back in. He has shaped up, and has not spoken in
that manner since. My job as manager of recruiting
became increasingly more difficult when Rob came
around, he was not testing them, he was simply
harassing. It seemed his goals was to have me horribly
fail, his relationship with star is good, I think, but
he just hates me plainly from the first day we met.
From the Gateway debate to the political debates we
have never agreed upon one thing. Many of our
recruits/members during this time expressed their
concern upon having Rob back, as he was causing chaos.
He also makes attacks on the CS realm, we in WC3 have
many multi-realmers, and most of them come from CS.
Every single member that has/is playing CS that is
playing WC3 is of exceptional attitude. The Warcraft 3
realm goes by a strict theorem of character over
skill, and we live up to it. Upon further reading of
the TDZK game, I understand that multi-accounting is
not the same as in Blizzard games. I also should not
have mentioned the d2 hacking since I am completely
ignorant about it, I should have discussed that with
Neo or someone else beforehand. I found it very
irritating that 2 of former players of the BNet Realms
were being accused of cheating, but not just accused,
they were being lynched. I did not get to see their
side of the story till much much later. I also found
it irritating that multiple posts were made concerning
one topic. Anyways, continuing to Rob's comments, he
finds me an incapable leader, frankly I disagree.
Lately, I have not been able to complete my duties due
to personal reasons, matters of health and others, but
this is why we have two moderators. Rob also seems to
believe that the entire WC3 realm went to hell at my
hand. Once again, we have 2 mods, and Star and I
consult each other on everything beforehand. Rob puts
the BF realm as a victim, and then WC3 and CS realms,
who have nothing to do with it, as an enemy. It was
improper and it's sad when members leave and badmouth
a clan which has done a lot for them. What's even
worse is that he was a leader. In my opinion, a leader
should have an objective eye on things, but must not
jump to conclusions too fast. A leader must also
respect his fellow members, and not feel like his
opinion is more powerful than others. Rob has failed
in both of these. Let me give you an example:
For those of you who are not familiar with Battle.Net,
it is the free gaming server that Blizzard provides to
play its games on. Hacking on this server is of course
against the rules. In warcraft 3 blizzard has
implemented a program that reads hacking and then
sends the information to blizzard. Every once in a
while they ban first-time hackers for a month, and
second-time hackers permanently from the server. To
play on it again you would need a new IP and a new
CD-Key. A while ago when they held one of these
bannings one of our members was banned. Of course an
investigation of the matter is necessary, so Star, Rob
(I let him join in since he was a leader and I felt
his judgement would represent that of the big leaders,
i big mistake on my part), and I lead it. The first
day I announced the investigation I get IM's from Rob
that were like this "Why hasn't he been kicked out of
HF yet." and "What is there to investigate.". Well,
what Rob failed to understand is that it was also
announced that such programs that let you assign your
own hotkeys and other progs in the background(which
aren't hacks or cheating according to Blizzard) were
also read by the program in WC3. This resulted in
people who hadn't cheated being banned. There was
nothing that Blizzard could do to distinguish who did
hack from who didn't. But I can tell you, since his
month has been over the member hasn't ever been banned
again.
RobVanDam said:
Quote:
when he became a leader, his goal wasn't to rebuild
the realm, it was to rebuild his useless fucking NS
Where to start, let's see:
I became leader in September when Star chose me to
become his mod, since I had past experience in
managing recruits for the SC/BW realm under Midnet,
and I've run the BNET Realms since February/March. My
first aim as realm leader was to get recruits, we
needed some fresh and new blood, most of our players
were ex-SC/BW who had lost their gaming appetite and
we're moving on with their lives to college/jobs etc.
Star and I completed this task successfully. We held a
couple of tourney's, which was also never done under
the RVD administration. Funny how he says my only goal
was to rebuild NS, because I didn't decide upon that
till January. Inner factions have always been the core
of competition in the Bnet Realms, ever since I
joined. When Midnet and Manson died, the Neo
Soulburners died with them, and the only remaining
faction was Lar. My idea was that if we could get at
least 2 strong factions, aiming for 3-4, we could
enhance activity in the WC3 realm thus increasing
activity. This has worked to a reasonable extent, a
third faction is in the preparing stages now just
needs to find a strong base to build upon. Tourneys
have been pretty successful up until the last couple
of weeks in which the Warcraft III Expansion Beta was
released. Now the members find themselves split
between playing the Beta on bnet, playing the beta on
Warforge, playing regular Warcraft III on bnet, and
school work. So compared to the other Warcraft III
seasons, we are in wintertime. But once the Expansion
set comes out this summer, expect to see a big boom in
a centralized place.
The Warcraft III realm boasts 25+ members, some of who
are ranked nation-wide according to BNet, and the many
many visitors in our channel on Bnet. We have a high
amount of activity, we have well mannered-character,
and we have a strong feeling of mutual improvement
that will surely make us a strong opposition in the
upcoming clan ladder option on Battle.net.
I myself cannot judge how capable I am of a leader, I
leave that to the members of the Warcraft III realm.
If they unanimously agree that my time is over and
it's time for someone else, then I will gladly step
down. My thoughts will always be for the good of the
clan.
One last thought I would like to leave you with is
that RVD stated that HF was once much better because
we had allies such as the DOH who are now dead.
www.thegamersclan.com, there's the DOH for ya, new and
revived, and good friends of HF.
A message to Crector: Find out more about your sources
before taking everything they say for granted. He just
left the clan, and obviously for a reason. If you see
he was a leader but he says immature and ignorant
stuff like "Aeon's a dumbass" instead of giving
factual and supportive information for his arguments,
then reconsider who you're listening too. Alright if
any WC3 memebrs feel I have forgotten something please
add on, I'm gonna go sleep now.
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