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Krioni
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PostPosted: 20 Mar 2003 04:46 Post subject: Jewels
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I have laid down the law concerning jewel and the BBG.
However, I would like to see if you guys think jewels
actions merit anything more down clanwide than a
probation period.
He has lied to BBG staff and BBG members, also jerle
and hotaru are on the list. They are BBG members, but
more importantly they are the creators of the game. He
was caught cheating, by which I mean using to many
accounts in TDZK. After he was caught and banned,
jerle let him back in on account that he didn't have
enough proof. While during that time back he managed
to let all our allies know, maybe not directly, that
he was going to kill crector and actually sat outside
a port waiting for him. In all fairness he didn't
attempt to kill crector, but that might just been
because our allies were very honorable and jewel never
got the chance.
In summary:
He lied to everyone.
He is a cheater.
He severely crippled HF's reputaion.
He threatened a BBG staff member.
Are those things basis for further punishment?
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PostPosted: 20 Mar 2003 05:00 Post subject: well
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What are you asking for? Do you want Jewel to be
punished further? Trust your own judgement man. It's
why you're the leader of the realm icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: 20 Mar 2003 05:04 Post subject: Reply
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Krioni's already decided on a punishment for Jewel in
reguard to the BBG Realm.
I believe Krioni is wondering if any further action
would be warranted with reguard to the rest of HF
toards jewel.
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PostPosted: 20 Mar 2003 05:07 Post subject: ok...
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In that case, it's my opinion that a clanwide
punishment is only needed if and when Jewel screws up
again. We have to believe that the punishment that was
already handed down will have the disired results.
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PostPosted: 20 Mar 2003 20:37 Post subject: Reply
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I am not trying to get jewel punished further, I just
want the higher ups to examine the situationand see if
jewel should be punished further
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 02:53 Post subject: Reply
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erhum, in my opinion this situation has been blown out
of proportion, and Jewel is mostly innocent to all of
the accusations you have charged against him.
First of all, I don't recall seeing him lie to anybody
in any of the threads that I have read.
Second of all, Jewel did NOT cheat. He might've used
Thran's or Hyp's accounts during a raid or played on
his brother's account but has NOT played on a second
account.
How the HELL did he cripple HF's Reputation?
In my opinion, crector did far worse. He posted thread
after thread in the GD, each one being locked, even
after having been told to post on the member's forums
more than once.
Also, he had no purpose in saying that, he litterally
exagerated in everything he said, and even crippled
HF's reputation himself.
I absolutely didnt' like any of his posts, and had i
been involved in the BBG realm to know a bit more,
maybe I would've replied.
Also, I don't consider Jewel saying he was "hunting"
crector as an insult to a staff member. Maybe you do,
but I don't, especially when he hadn't touched crector
at all.
The only thing I might feel Jewel might have done
wrong is after being angered by Crector, he left the
alliance. Although, this "hunting" crector situation
lasted like 5 minutes tops.
BBG realm believing that Jewel has been a bad boy, I
don't give a crap.
Asking the House Staff to punish Jewel, then I do. And
that's a bit pushing it.
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 03:12 Post subject: Reply
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Usk, please notice that Krioni is not asking the HF
staff to punish Jewel.
What he is doing is trying to find out if anything
above and beyond what he has already decided upon is
warranted.
Those are two totally different things.
As for the whole "hunting" crector thing. It was a
threat against a fellow brother. Does it really matter
if he actually did the task or not? He threatened to
hunt crector down and blow up his ship. Thus hurting
him in the game, and by extension, the clan.
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 03:53 Post subject: Reply
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Krioni wrote:
I am not trying to get jewel punished further, I just
want the higher ups to examine the situationand see if
jewel should be punished further
To me, that is clearly what I said it was.
As for him disrespecting crector... I believe Crector
disrespected Jewel as much. Wait no, probably worse.
He told a LOT of people on tdzk that Jewel was a
cheater and that he shouldn't be in HF.
Where I just posted before that Jewel did NOT cheat.
Disrespect brought disrespect. I'm not saying Jewel
did right in threatening Crector, but I'm just saying
Crector didn't do any better.
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 04:56 Post subject: Reply
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Jerle is the admin and comaker of TDZk. If he says
jewel cheated then jewel cheated.
GD is a HF forum, not frequented by every person who
plays tdzk. But actually doing what he did in TDZK
where most of our allies found out, that hurts HF.
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 05:43 Post subject: Reply
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It seems like we're gonna have to contact this Jerle
guy then.
Jewel did have a 2nd account but never even touched
it. It was created before the round started because
Jewel didn't understand much about the game.
Jewel did NOT have multiple accounts.
If what I mentioned he DID do is called cheating, then
I have nothing more to say.
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 06:16 Post subject: Reply
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Using any other account but the one you created is
cheating. Therefore what Jewel did was in fact
cheating.
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 06:17 Post subject: Reply
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Well.... this is what i think of this situation...
I have none.. jewel since d2... i was recruited under
his realm i have none him for a really long time...
and have none he has brothers... but did he say its
one of his brothers account... and he used it.. we
will never know to be honest.......
Another thing is... Crector.... did blow this out of
proportion.... and when jewel said he was going to
hunt him down.. i was there when he said that... and i
think... of it no harm to be honest... its a game...
hunting comes natural... i mean... u play cs... u have
to kill someone right... and plus its only a game...
cheating i dont condold... but.. hunting i think is
fair game..
I dont know crector that well... but i do know jewel
really well.. so i dont know if that is making me lean
over to jewels side a bit...... but the cheating....
he seems like he has been punished for... but for the
attempt.... of hunting down crector.. and i say
attempt because he didnt do it... is something
different
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 06:30 Post subject: Reply
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Thats the worst i have ever done with spelling and
grammar... im really sry guys icon_redface.gif
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 12:33 Post subject: Reply
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Its not that bad. Just remember
Known is the word you want to use instead of none.
Anyways, TDZK is a clan oriented game were you need
every member of your clan to be strong to have a
chance, even more so that HF has alot of newbies and
other clans are filled with vets. That being said,
having a member actively hunt down his own team is
very counter-productive and should not be allowed
anywhere.
Example
4v4 SC?BW game. One of HF's members decides to attack
another HF member. You think HF would have a chance
after that happened?
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PostPosted: 21 Mar 2003 23:56 Post subject: Reply
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he didn't use the second account. he didn't touch it.
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